Separating Truth / From Tradition
The Doctrine Of God
There is One God, Isa 42:8, 45:5 Ex 3:15
There is One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1 Ti 2:5, Ac 2:22
Jesus was “MADE” of a Woman, Ga 4:4
whom God said: “and he shall be to me a Son” Heb 1:5
God Was “MANIFEST” (revealed)
“In The Flesh” (the life of Jesus), 1 Ti 3:16
To wit that God was “IN” Christ, 2 Co 5:19
“the father that dwelleth in me” Jn 14:10
Christ Died for our sins, Ro 5:6, 1Co 15:3
God Raised Jesus from the Dead, Ac 4:10
Jesus is in heaven “with” God, Heb 9:24
We are Children & Sons of God, Ro 8:14, Ga 3:26, Ga 4:4-7
We are Brothers & Sisters with Christ
Mat 12:50, Mk 3:35, Ro 8:17
Human Created Creeds
The concept of God as a Trinity being
The concept of One And “THE SAME”
God was Totally Human & Totally God
(A contradictory concept within itself)
The concept God Was “INCARNATED”
(“As” Jesus Christ)
God Came To Earth “APPEARING AS” a Human infant, then “ACTED AS” or “PRETENDED TO BE" a Son to Himself
It was God who Died for our sins
Jesus Raised Himself from the Dead
We are Children & Sons of Christ
Jesus is in heaven “as” God -
The concept of Don’t Ask & Don’t Tell
Why? Because we can never prove a LIE
So, Where is the “Human" Soul (Spirit) of Jesus?
“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words,
lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
“But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God”
You can deny it, run from it, pervert it, spin it, walk away from it, and pretend it ain’t so…but at the end of the day, the truth is still the truth and it has not changed.
The Oneness Of God In The Humanity Of Christ
There are no coincidences in life; you came across this website by God’s design as all things are either God arranged or God allowed.
What we know of the Oneness of God and the relationship God had with a man named Jesus is contained in the Bible and obtained through personal experience. When compared to the word of God, much of what we have been taught about Jesus is unfortunately the doctrine of men and not biblical doctrine (the ”written” Word of God). These teachings have distributed false and misleading information, which in turn has led many Christians down a wrong path in serving God the Father.
The purpose of this website is to expound on some key beliefs currently being taught by various denominations as biblically correct when instead they are neither (biblical or correct). It is not our goal to destroy what you have been taught about the Oneness of God it is however our mission to bring clarity based on the word of God about the unique relationship that existed between God and a man named Jesus. Once you have received this information it is entirely up to you to make any necessary adjustments in your life.
The Most Dangerous Lies About Christ Are Those That Resemble The Truth!
The most dangerous lies or misinterpretations about Christ are those that are closest to the truth; that is what makes them so easy to believe.
Every ministry claims to have the truth. If however everyone that claims to have the truth has it why are there so many different views of what truth is? An interpretation may “appear” true yet be built upon lies.
Our perception of truth is based on the information we have at the time.
Example: the world was flat until someone discovered it was round. In truth the world was never flat rather our understanding was limited. It did not become round by divine revelation it was always round just misunderstood.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted being self-evident.” ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
So What Happened To The Human Soul/Spirit Of Christ?
How we explained the “Oneness of God” and the relationship that existed between God and Christ (especially now that Jesus is in Heaven) has historically been a problem for “Oneness” and “Trinitarians” alike.
The problem centers around explaining the humanity of Christ now that Jesus is in Heaven (See: What Is A Genuine Human?). In fact this is a issue the church intentionally tries to avoid addressing, and there is a good reason why. Most of today’s denominations have had problems providing logical answers (“sound doctrine”) to various biblical questions concerning God and the human soul/spirit of Christ, especially after proclaiming Christ to be God or a God Trinity. Although “ONENESS” is a break away from the Trinitarian concept, both groups nonetheless have historically taught and continue to instill in their members the same non-biblical concepts wherein lies the heart of their dilemma.
(Colossians 2:8) “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
The church as a whole latched onto several man-made concepts. These concepts were then incorporated into various religious doctrines. These non-biblical terminologies were widely accepted as truth (ironically without any verification) and have been ingrained into many doctrinal positions for many years. Many of these non-biblical words (such as incarnation, omnipresence and enfleshment) are so common that the church no longer questions their origins; having full knowledge these words do not translate into any Hebrew or Greek word (or concept) contained within the Word of God, and some words are not even in the English dictionary (enfleshment – Webster, Britannica, Cambridge, etc..).
No matter how good our intentions may be, we are not to manufacture words and claim them to be facts contained in scripture when they are not. If it is not found written in the scripture, although it may seem plausible or you consider it implied it is nonetheless only your opinion. Not that the opinion is invalid, but it should be the most correct analysis from every God given possibility. Modern words and grammar are at times and can indeed be very useful as long as they do not change the definition or meaning of the original WORD of GOD making the Word of God of no effect.
Jesus Christ told the Pharisees and scribes:
(Mark 7:13) “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”
Tradition Taught Us:
Many churches instill in their members a non-biblical or “created concept” called “incarnation”. This is a fundamental tenant used by many churches to support the teaching that God (“the Father”) was something other than just a Spirit (John 4:22-24); God was also “totally human” by means of incarnation. God embodied himself in a body of flesh (called himself Jesus) and by doing such that made God “totally human” (or a complete human) while at the same time he was “totally God”.
The Trinitarian Groups
There are those who classify themselves as “Trinitarians” (Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, etc..). They profess that God consist of three persons in one God, all three are “co-equal”, “co-eternal” and “co-substantial” in persons known as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. This concept is called “Trinity” or “Tri-unity”. Each person is given a unique characteristic when viewed in relation to the others: the Father is unbegotten, the Son is begotten or generated, and the Spirit is proceeding. Jesus was the “incarnation” of God the Son, the second in the Godhead.
Trinitarians frequently use the diagram of a triangle to explain their doctrine. The three corners represent the three members of the trinity, while the complete triangle represents God as the whole trinity. Thus, the Father is not the Son is not the Holy Ghost. Furthermore, neither Father, Son nor Spirit is completely God without the others.
The Oneness Groups
There are those of us who classify ourselves as “Oneness” (Apostolic, Pentecostal and various Non-Denominational churches). Most of these groups presented God with a slightly different twist than the Trinitarians. They profess that God consist of three manifestations but not in the manner the Trinitarians portray Jesus. They believe that Jesus was the “incarnation” of God himself. The fundamental difference is that they believe “Father, Son and Holy Ghost” are titles which belong solely to Jesus. They teach God came to earth in the form of a human infant, called himself Jesus, then acted as (or pretended to be) his own Son to himself (while he was in his human body of flesh) and used his “own” human body (that committed no sin) to be the sacrificed atonement for the sins of the world.
What They Both Have in Common
Although there are many other differences that distinguish these groups apart (Oneness/Trinitarians) they both teach and instill in their members the same non-biblical “created concept” called incarnation, that God was “totally human” by means of incarnation. God embodied himself in a body of flesh (Jesus) and by doing such that made God “totally human” (or a complete human) while at the same time he was “totally God”.
NOTE: To the “unlearned”, this terminology may “sound plausible” but there is a very important difference between a spirit or entity (God) being “incarnated” in its own individual body in comparison to a man (Jesus) having the Spirit of God “indwelling” in his human body. (See also: Incarnation vs Indwelling)
(John 8:29) “And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone;…” (It is made clear that this man Jesus was not by himself (alone), nor did he send himself, nor was he referring to himself as the Father when Jesus said “he” that sent “me”)
(John 14:10) “I speak not of myself: but the father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works”
(2 Corinthians 5:19) “To wit that God was “in” Christ; < NOT > God was “incarnated as” the Christ.
Unfortunately this is how many Christians were led astray and deceived into adopting non-biblical terminologies in an attempt to support their own created doctrines instead of adhering to the word of God.
It is this aspect of Jesus (understanding what happened to his human soul/spirit) that is so critically important in determining if our understanding of God “in” Christ is correct and does it support who we proclaim Jesus to be.
Not surprisingly this is a very unwelcome topic that most church leaders try to avoid; and for very good reason. The following three sets of questions reveals why.
Sometimes Proving “The Truth”……… Requires Asking the Right Questions
Since the humanity of Jesus Christ is fundamental to every Christian doctrine we should first be able to prove that Jesus was indeed human, thus you need to make sure that you really understand exactly what constitutes a man as being “totally human”. This is a very important matter because in order to prove who Jesus is (or who he is not) we need to be able to do two things:
- distinguish the difference between being “totally human” from that of being “totally God”; and
- distinguish the difference between having the “Spirit of God” from the “spirit of man”; that which makes man human and separates him (his humanity) from being God.
Q1. Have you ever wondered how Jesus could actually be BOTH (totally Man) and (totally God) “literally” as we claim without being contradictory?
The Issue The Church Didn’t Explain To You:
We say Jesus had a dual nature, true however all men do (flesh/spirit) (Numbers 16:22, Job 32:8). We say Jesus and God are “literally” one and the same person however no church (Apostolic/Oneness/Trinitarian/ etc.) has ever explained what happened to Jesus’ human soul, that part of his “totally” human nature, if what they claim is truth. Not surprisingly this is a very unwelcomed topic for those church leaders who have incorporated this manmade “incarnation” concept as part of their religious doctrine.
Now in order for Jesus to be a man (a true human being) he would have had at least two (2) attributes:
- He would have been “limited” in some aspect of his life (able to die, suffer, hunger, etc…); and
- He would have had a “human spirit/soul” thus having independent will to choose whether or not to obey God, as do all humans.
Unless we say Jesus only had God’s spirit, in which case Jesus would not have been “totally” human, what happened to his human spirit/soul?
Q2. Can anyone explain: If (Jesus is totally God) then how is (God totally man)? Are you confused? You should be and here is why.
The Issue The Church Didn’t Explain To You:
Unfortunately the totally God-man theory is impossible to explain truthfully. This is because this theory has its own, self-contained contradictory clause built-in; hence to be the “totality” of anything leaves NO ROOM to be anything else!
Therefore whatever the one is, the other he is NOT! (Numbers 23:19 (NLT), 23:19(KJV); John 5:37 (NLT), 5:37(KJV))
Distinguishing A Fact From A Paradox:
The bible’s definition of God is not disputed: God is an invisible/all powerful/immortal spirit.
The bible’s definition of man is not disputed: Man is a visible/not all powerful/mortal flesh
What is true by definition will always remain true unless we start redefining things. For example: 2+2=4. This equation will always remain true. The only way this can ever become false is if we decide to change the definitions of the component parts.
The “attributes” of a Spirit
A Spirit is regarded as supernatural and is separate from matter. Matter is whatever occupies space and is perceptible to the senses – (man is an example of matter)
Jesus confirms this definition to be true: “God is a Spirit” and “a spirit hath not flesh and bones” (John 4:24, Luke 24:39)
Supernatural is not explainable by the known forces or laws of nature; specific, of or involving God, ghosts, spirits, etc.
The definition of the word spirit does not provide information as to what it looks like. If a spirit is a supernatural being (something not explainable by the known forces of the laws of nature) then it is possible that a spirit can live inside a human being and not have the physical form of a human being. (John 1:18; John 5:37; 1 John 4:12)
Therefore if a spirit is something that is “not explainable by known forces of the laws of nature” that means a spirit can be in anything and anywhere because it is not bound by the laws of nature.
This is NOT the “attributes” of a man.
* To be man means to be limited: (lacking in knowledge, prone to mistakes, imperfect, flesh)
* To be God means just the opposite: (all powerful/knowledge, immortal, perfect, spirit)
Now, by definition, a thing cannot be the opposite of itself. A thing cannot be “limited” and “unlimited” at the same time. The presence of one of these qualities implies the absence of the other. Jesus was either one or the other. He cannot logically be both.
To say someone is limited and unlimited is like saying that you saw a square circle. This is an impossibility. Are you saying the circle was not round, in which case it was not a circle? Or are you saying the square was circular? This is not a paradox; this is meaningless nonsense, however imaginative it might be.
To say that someone is limited and unlimited at the same time is to say that “X” and “not-X” can both be true. This is either to abandon the meaning of these words or else to abandon logic, and in either case this means we are speaking nonsense that can have no meaning for us.
The orthodox say that Jesus was imperfect with regards to his human nature but perfect with regards to his divine nature. The problem with this position is that it implies the existence of two persons occupying the one body of Jesus. You need for this two minds, two wills, two characters.
But the “Jesus is God” creed does not allow this necessary conclusion and insists that Jesus was not two persons but one only. Now, this one person had to be either perfect or not, infallible or not, unlimited in knowledge or not.
Now a paradox is something that seems impossible but can be demonstrated to be true. On the other hand, the creedal statement may seem true to some people but logic demonstrates it to be false.
The TRUTHFULNESS of this matter is something that can be easily PROVEN.
Q3. Either Jesus COULD sin OR Jesus COULD NOT sin; WHICH IS IT?
Note: (Having the “ability” to commit sin (or disobey God) is different than putting that ability you have into practice).
If Jesus was NOT “capable” of sinning he would indeed be totally GOD!!!!
The Issue The Church Didn’t Explain To You:
If Jesus WAS “capable” of committing sin he would be human (or not “totally” God), because all humans are capable of committing a sin against (or disobeying) God. It is this aspect of Jesus total obedience to God (John 8:29-30, Romans 5:19) that was remarkable. God’s plan, even before the foundation of the world, was for Jesus to be our savior and redeemer. (1John 4:14-15; Galatians 4:4-8; 1Peter 1:19-21)
If Jesus was “totally” God it would be impossible for God to sin because God has no one to whom he must obey, Jesus would have never “truly” overcame the world as our example of being sinless flesh by surrendered will to another.
God’s Spirit (divinity) indwelling the human body of Jesus (humanity) demonstrated two different types of spirits in one body. This is why Jesus said the words he spoke were not his, but that of his Father [God] (John 12:49-50; John 14:24)
God was with Christ (Acts 10:38) NOT incarnated as Christ. But why was God in Christ? (2 Cor 5:19-21) The LORD (Isa 42:8 = YHWH = Jehovah) was the God in Christ
Understanding The Difference
Our Relationship with God means: (We are Sons/Children of God)
Those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons (Romans 8:14) and children of God because of our faith in Christ (Galatians 3:26). This relationship with God as our Father (Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:2; Ephesians 1:2; Philippians 1:2; Colossians 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:1-2; 1 Timothy 1:2; Philemon 1:3; 2 John 1:3) makes us ONE as he was with Christ (John 17:21-22; John 20:17)
Our Relationship with Christ means: (We are Brothers with Christ)
We become brothers and sisters with Christ, NOT children of Christ. (Matthew 12:50, Mark 3:35) We are therefore ONE in Christ, being adopted sons and joint heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17; Galatians 3:28-29; Galatians 4:4-7)
As individuals mature and become more knowledgeable in the Word of God our understanding increases and sooner or later it becomes apparent that factors exist that many of our Christian based churches are just not addressing. Many of us who carry the banner of being “Oneness” have waited far too long to address those “other” scriptures that challenge the soundness and credibility of our otherwise long historically held doctrine.
Peter gave some good advice about readiness, “always be ready” to give an answer to those who asks us the reason for our understanding. (1 Peter 3:15)
This requires that you STUDY; Why? (To show yourself to be an approved workman (a minister, Christian representative, etc.), so you may be able to prove by the scriptures and correct those who are in error) (2 Timothy 2:15).
In other words what “EVIDENCE” persuaded or influenced your doctrinal conclusion of who Jesus was and who God is. There are three things that are fundamental to obtaining a correct understanding and proving it.
- IDENTIFY what’s involved; and
- VERIFY the descriptions (or the historical use); and
- TEST IT to PROVE IT.
It is the goal of this ministry to shed some light on traditionally held principles and doctrines that are not scriptural based, Separating Truth from Tradition so that we all come into a greater understanding of God’s word and walk accordingly. Understanding the difference between the Oneness of God, Jesus the Man and the God in Christ is vitally important because there is a big difference saying God was “in” the flesh body of a man named Jesus vs God transforming himself to “appear” as a man (in which case he would not be totally human and he would not be the true seed of David).
SOME OF THE TOPICS WE WILL COVER ARE:
We encourage you to search the scriptures for yourself. For too long many Christians have taken what they were taught as being scripturally based only to discover it was not.
For further information about this ministry or if you have questions/comments: